Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/03/2002 02:00 PM House FIN

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 03, 2002                                                                                           
                          2:00 PM                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 02 - 74, Side A                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 2:00 PM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Zach Warwick, Staff, Senator Therriault                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
John Sund, NorQuest Seafoods, Seattle; Tom Tom Chapple,                                                                         
Director, Division of Air and Water Quality, Department of                                                                      
Environmental Conservation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 182    "An Act relating to motor vehicles; and providing                                                                     
          for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 182 was postponed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB 503    "An Act relating to evaluating state assumption of                                                                    
          the wastewater discharge program under the federal                                                                    
          Clean Water Act; and providing for an effective                                                                       
          date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 503 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
HOUSE BILL NO. 503                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to evaluating state assumption of the                                                                     
     wastewater discharge program under the federal Clean                                                                       
     Water Act; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ZACH WARWICK, STAFF, SENATOR THERRIAULT,  spoke in support of                                                                   
the  legislation. He  explained  that the  legislation  would                                                                   
direct  the  Department  of  Environmental   Conservation  to                                                                   
evaluate the potential benefits  and consequences of assuming                                                                   
primacy  for  the National  Pollutant  Discharge  Elimination                                                                   
System program  (NPDES). The Environmental  Protection Agency                                                                   
(EPA) currently  supervises the  state's discharge.  He noted                                                                   
that  44 states  administer  their programs  in-state.  State                                                                   
primacy  would  allow  the  state of  Alaska  to  tailor  the                                                                   
permitting  process to  specific  environmental features  and                                                                   
decide how  timely permits would  be issued. The  legislation                                                                   
requires evaluation  of the possibility of  administering the                                                                   
program  as   well  as   a  description   of  the   cost  and                                                                   
identification of funding sources.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Lancaster  observed   that  the  fiscal  note                                                                   
supports two temporary positions  and questioned if permanent                                                                   
positions  would  result.  Mr.  Warwick  explained  that  the                                                                   
legislation would  only pertain  to the evaluation.  The next                                                                   
legislature  would   decide  whether  or  not   it  would  be                                                                   
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   John  Davies   spoke  in   support  of   the                                                                   
legislation and  questioned if  industry had been  approached                                                                   
to supply  a portion  of the necessary  funding. Mr.  Warwick                                                                   
noted  that  industry  has  indicated  that  they  could  not                                                                   
support the funding.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lancaster questioned  if the legislation would                                                                   
affect   municipalities.   Mr.   Warwick   noted   that   the                                                                   
legislation    would   allow    municipalities   to    tailor                                                                   
restrictions to their desire.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster questioned  if state restrictions would                                                                   
be  more stringent  than  federal restrictions.  Mr.  Warwick                                                                   
reiterated  that they could  be tailored  to state  needs and                                                                   
pointed out  that some of  the federal regulations  would not                                                                   
be applicable to Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TOM CHAPPLE,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF AIR  AND WATER  QUALITY,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF   ENVIRONMENTAL  CONSERVATION   testified  via                                                                   
teleconference in  support of the legislation.  He noted that                                                                   
residents  in the  state  of Idaho  had  trouble deciding  if                                                                   
state primacy would benefit them  until details were revealed                                                                   
indicating   that  state   primacy   would  provide   greater                                                                   
flexibility   and  insure   timeliness   of  permitting.   He                                                                   
emphasized the  need to  "lay out the  details" [in  order to                                                                   
allow  Alaskans   to  decide  if  state  primacy   should  be                                                                   
achieved].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SUND,   VICE  PRESIDENT,  NORQUEST   SEAFOODS,  SEATTLE                                                                   
testified via  teleconference in support of  the legislation.                                                                   
He observed that their company  has NPDES permits for each of                                                                   
their vessels  and facilities. A statewide general  permit is                                                                   
issued every  five years.  He noted that  the issue  has been                                                                   
before the  legislature many  times over  the past  years and                                                                   
that it  is a complex  issue. The question  is: Does  it make                                                                   
sense  on the  policy or  permitting  level? The  legislation                                                                   
would help  evaluate the benefits  by laying out  the process                                                                   
and indicating funding sources.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Sund discussed  problems they have encountered  in filing                                                                   
permits.  Joint  copies  must  be  filed  with  EPA  and  the                                                                   
Department  of Environmental Conservation.  They are  subject                                                                   
to  both EPA  and  Department of  Environmental  Conservation                                                                   
inspectors.  Federal EPA employees  are sometimes  unfamiliar                                                                   
with  Alaskan  processes. He  stressed  that  there would  be                                                                   
greater knowledge  of the  industry with Alaskan  regulation.                                                                   
There   are  some   conflicts  between   state  and   federal                                                                   
standards, which  could be made easier with  consolidation of                                                                   
authority. He noted  that EPA must consider  the whole region                                                                   
and  cannot  bring  their  full attention  to  the  state  of                                                                   
Alaska. The legislation is a nice first step.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   John  Davies   spoke  in   support  of   the                                                                   
legislation.  He stressed  that  the legislation  could  help                                                                   
promote economic  development  and streamline the  permitting                                                                   
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson  observed that the state  has had other                                                                   
opportunities to take primacy  from the federal government in                                                                   
order to eliminate multiple agency  oversight. He referred to                                                                   
problems with leaking underground storage tanks.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams  indicated his desire to reduce  the fiscal                                                                   
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  503  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:18 PM                                                                                            

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